* F888 CXLD JFK-CAI-RUH EFF 09/12/01 - 09/29/01
* F891 CXLD RUH-CAI-JFK EFF 09/12/01 - 09/30/01
** ALL SERVICE TO/FROM JFK-CAI-RUH **
NOW DELETED THROUGH INFINITY
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THE FOLLOWING CANCELLATIONS ARE EFF 09/14/01 - 09/30/01

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Originally posted by TWAnr:
[QBTHE FOLLOWING CANCELLATIONS ARE EFF 09/14/01 - 09/30/01

* F249 CXLD STL-SJC
* F142 CXLD SJC-STL
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Well, I guess I'm screwed. I have two seperate flights on TWA that depart from SJC and return to SJC via STL, of course.

I'm willing to go along with whatever is deemed appropriate, but I'm not quite understanding why these flights have been canceled thru the end of September. It's only Sept 13 now.

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Originally posted by TWAPlatinum1:
...but I'm not quite understanding why these flights have been canceled thru the end of September. It's only Sept 13 now.

Jim

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Does this answer your question?

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American said it plans to gradually resume more flights
until it reaches about 80 percent of the capacity it flew prior
to the hijackings and the implementation of new airport
security measures.
"We wholly endorse the new security measures and will
ensure our personnel exceed FAA recommendations on every
front," Donald Carty, American's chairman, said in a
statement.
"In order to accomplish our security objectives, it is
necessary to operate a sharply reduced schedule," he said.
"This will allow employees to dedicate even more time to
learning and incorporating these procedures into our daily
operations."

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Originally posted by TWAnr:
Does this answer your question?

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No, but the TWA Platinum desk just did.

I just tried to reschedule my flights for Sept 25 - 26 to October 23-24 and after she checked her system she told me the following ...

I can offer you a flight departing SJC at 11:45 p.m. My original flight was #142 departing SJC at 6:29 a.m. She said the ONLY flight from now on is the 11:45 a.m. departure. Not just until Sept 30, but in her words "permanently".

Maybe that sums it up for you? Only time will tell if this holds any truth.

Additionally, Earlier Reuters reported that UA and AA technically will be fighting for survival in court. The liability insurance is expected to cover approx 1.6 Billion for UA and 1.67 Billion for AA and the total damages are estimated at 15-20 Billion hence the two carriers could find themselves liable for damages that exceed the net worth and insurance of both carriers combined.

It is the article writers legal opinion based on previous cases that AA and UA are individually responsible for security and it is obvious to all that security suffered large lapses. Based on precendent with PA103 the article states UA and AA could be wiped out.

Not good for the TWA people whom where just getting a firm footing after years of struggling.

When are we going to demand that the federal government be responsible for security as it is in other countries. We do not need minimum wage Wackenhut people but, military trained and well paid security professionals, that includes airline employee screenings, and airport services contractors and access to the airport by anyone!

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Originally posted by acvitale:
Additionally, Earlier Reuters reported that UA and AA technically will be fighting for survival in court. The liability insurance is expected to cover approx 1.6 Billion for UA and 1.67 Billion for AA and the total damages are estimated at 15-20 Billion hence the two carriers could find themselves liable for damages that exceed the net worth and insurance of both carriers combined.

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http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010913/n13353432_2.html

Thursday September 13, 7:09 pm Eastern Time

US lawmakers consider airline liability protection

By Adam Entous

WASHINGTON, Sept 13 (Reuters) - At the urging of American Airlines and United Airlines, congressional leaders said on Thursday they were drafting legislation to provide the air carriers some protection from possible lawsuits stemming from this week's tragic attacks.

Four commercial airliners, two operated by UAL Corp.'s (NYSE:UAL - news) United and two by AMR Corp.'s (NYSE:AMR - news) American were hijacked on Tuesday. Two crashed into the landmark twin towers of New York City's World Trade Center, demolishing them. A third slammed into the Pentagon outside Washington, D.C. and the fourth crashed in a field near Pittsburgh.

Following the crashes, the airlines proposed legislation that would provide them sweeping protection from liability, lawmakers and aides said.

But Sen. John McCain, the top Republican on the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, said the proposal floated by the airlines was ``way too broad'' and that lawmakers would look to structure legislation that would provide limited protection from liability.

``What they were talking about is a great over-reach,'' McCain told Reuters, adding that they were seeking almost blanket protection from lawsuits.

``We think they may need some protections but certainly not the language we saw,'' he said.

House Republicans said they too were eager to move legislation to provide protection for the airlines. Both House and Senate aides said a measure could move as early as this week.

A Senate committee aide said lawmakers will propose a bill that would provide some protection from liability, specifically limit lawsuits by those not on board a flight, such as people in buildings or bystanders like those in the World Trade Center.

Lawmakers would push forward the proposal out of fear that a rush of lawsuits could potentially bankrupt the nation's two largest airlines, the Senate aide said.

Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey of Texas said he spoke with airline executives and that his staff was reviewing possible legislation that would provide them with liability protection.

``We'll see what we can do for them,'' Armey said. ``I do not think that airlines should be held accountable.'' Armey said he specifically spoke to American executives about the proposal.

``It seems to me that when they lost control of their aircraft, they lost control of their liability.''

When the four airliners crashed, 266 passengers and crew perished. The official death toll from the crashes into the buildings stood at 94 but more than 4,500 from were reported missing by family members and companies with offices at the World Trade Center in Manhattan.

Another 126 are missing from the crash at the Pentagon across the river from Washington, D.C.

UAL Goodwin to resign Monday...

World Airways to file bankruptcy by Tuesday

UAL and Delta pull out of India and Middle-east

KAL, Asiana, Air India, Saudia filing formal protest to foreign carrier requirements.

Watch and see.. These are interesting times...

The faltering economy had already been pounding the airline industry pretty hard. UA said a week or two ago that their high-rev business was down by one third, and I recall Carty making a similar comment. After the tragic events of Tuesday, they will probably be lucky to see 30-35% load factors.

These AA/TWA cutbacks are clearly a reaction to anticipated loss of business--not the guise of security that is being claimed.

Unfortunately, layoffs/furloughs are imminent. Thank God the union integration has not taken place yet.

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Originally posted by MrMarky:
Unfortunately, layoffs/furloughs are imminent. Thank God the union integration has not taken place yet.

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We're ALL going to feel the crunch,regardless of the status of union integration.

Exactly what are you implying? That TWA employees are "Safe" because they haven't been integrated yet? Thats a laughable assumption on your part.

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Originally posted by JFK Fleet Service:
We're ALL going to feel the crunch,regardless of the status of union integration.

Exactly what are you implying? That TWA employees are "Safe" because they haven't been integrated yet? Thats a laughable assumption on your part.

[ 09-14-2001: Message edited by: JFK Fleet Service ]

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Hi JFK--

I'm not implying anything. I'm just anticipating that if AA intends to ramp back up to only 80% of their former capacity then it stands to reason that they will only need 80% of their employees, which means as many as 20% could be layed off. As long as AA and TWA work forces remain separate they would each take a 20% hit. If the work forces were combined and the TWA folks were stapled to the bottom, then all the layoffs would be TWA folks, who just happen to comprise about 20% of the total workforce.

Under the current situation AA cannot reduce capacity 20% by just shutting down TWA. That still leaves a big bloated overcapacity problem at AA itself. Believe me, I don't relish the thought of a single employee at either airline being layed off--I'm just looking at the economic reality of the situation and the options available to the company. Lay offs seemed likely before Tuesday, now they appear inevitable. I hope for the best for everybody at both airlines.

In my own industry at least, I don't foresee much decrease in travel. Things are just too specialized, phone and e-mail can only go so far. In fact I'm still expecting my own travel to nearly double starting this winter, from what I was flying previously.

Of course, that's just one industry ... I imagine that other businesses will look harder into videoconferencing (though if too many people need to rent facilities for that it can be more expensive than flying - we were just looking at $3k to set up a 3-person videoconference for next week and elected to make an on-site trip later in the month instead). I for my part, just can't see the downturn being permanent; maybe prolonged but not permanent.

I was actually lucky enough to return home on Monday from a business meeting in the south of France ... lucky I didn't decide to stay an extra day. One person I work with, is still stranded in California (was to return on Tuesday).

I am booked out of TPA on the early AM flight for a fun filled day of the "new" flight experience.

OCTOBER SCHEDULE CHANGES (UPDATED 9/14/01-SJB)
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THE FLWG CANCELLATIONS ARE EFF FOR DATE RANGES INDICATED.

* F818 CXLD STL-CDG. EFF 10/01/01 - 10/27/01.
* F819 CXLD CDG-STL. EFF 10/01/01 - 10/28/01.
* F924 CXLD JFK-CDG. EFF 10/01/01 - 03/01/02.
* F925 CXLD CDG-JFK. EFF 10/01/01 - 03/02/02
* F034 CXL TUE AND WED OPS JFK-NAS. EFF 10/01/01-12/14/01
* F033 CXL TUE AND WED OPS NAS-JFK. EFF 10/01/01-12/14/01
* F831 CXLD JFK-LAX. EFF 10/01/01 - 12/01/01.
* F849 CXLD JFK-LAX. EFF 10/01/01 - 12/01/01.
* F885 CXLD JFK-LAX. EFF 10/01/01 - 12/01/01.
* F830 CXLD LAX-JFK. EFF 10/01/01 - 12/01/01.
* F840 CXLD LAX-JFK. EFF 10/01/01 - 12/01/01
* F884 CXLD LAX-JFK. EFF 10/01/01 - 12/01/01.
* F187 CXLD JFK-MIA. EFF 10/01/01 - 12/01/01.
* F189 CXLD JFK-MIA. EFF 10/01/01 - 12/01/01.
* F006 CXLD MIA-JFK. EFF 10/01/01 - 12/01/01.
* F020 CXLD MIA-JFK. EFF 10/01/01 - 12/01/01.
* F935 CXLD SJU-MCO. EFF 10/01/01 - 12/14/01.
* F946 CXLD MCO-SJU. EFF 10/01/01 - 12/14/01.

THE FLWG ALL EFF 10/01/01-10/31/01 UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED

We recieved a notice that there would be service reductions to virtually all cities currently served by AA/AE/TWA.This is going to be a rough period ahead for all of us,lets hope the cuts don't go too deep.

Your estimation that TWA pilots are protected by a separation between AA and TWA is not well founded. The absence of a formal integration does not mean TWA pilots will be bypassed. That is up to the whims of AMR and how they will cutback the flying to attain 80% of the former capacity.

A. Additionally, the provisions of this Agreement pertaining to:
i. Guaranteed Captain positions; and
ii. Furlough protection
shall not be applicable to the extent that the Company’s failure to comply with the provisions is necessitated by one or more of the following conditions:

o Grounding of a fleet type or a substantial number of the Company’s aircraft,
o The unavailability of aircraft scheduled for delivery,
o An act of God,
o A strike by any other Company employee group or affiliate,
o A national emergency,
o Involuntary revocation of the Company’s operating certificate(s),
o A reduction in the Company’s operation resulting from a decrease in available fuel supply caused by either governmental action or the suppliers being unable to meet the Company’s demands.

Mr. Marky,

The transition letter protecting TWA jobs is now null and void. President Bush has declared a National Emergency and there may a substantial grounding of aircraft.

Furloughs will occur in reverse seniority. AMR has already declared that new hire classes are cancelled. The escape clauses here are also most probably in our contract as well, but I don’t feel like going through opening up all those web pages it would take to access the contract. I will later. If it is different, I will report it.

There are approximately 700 AA pilots junior to the junior most TWA pilot.

In addition:

1. Force Majeure
A. The provisions of this Agreement pertaining to:
i. Snapshots; and
ii. Draw down schedule

Have the same escape clauses. Those pilots forced out from behind the fence will be subject to furlough in reverse seniority.

The hard fence is still in place, but it offers limited protection. TWA pilots’ career expectations have taken a turn for the worse. But it is important to note that the one holding the axe is AMR. We are all subject to the viability of our employer.

Since you, Mr. Marky are not a pilot or an employee, but a passenger, you are immune to any dislocation while the airlines reorganize. Eventually, this will pass, but it could be years before we see a strong and vibrant airline industry. Those that survive will be posed for greater prosperity.

By the way, I hope you’re going to the gym. You just became my second line of defense in case of attack. The “Common Strategy” is over.

Not a good omen, but not unexpected either.

Good luck to all the CAL people, both those who will go and those who will stay.

Unfortunately I'm sure I'll have to wish the same thoughts to many others in different companies as the days pass.

God bless you all.

gambit