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PITbeast
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A week or so ago I was reading something of no value and watching "Marathon Man" at the same time. I looked up from my book just in time to catch the scene where the bad guy (Olivier) has arrived in New York. There's a baggage handlers stike and all the incoming pax have to wander about the ramp looking for their luggage. T5 is in the background and the baggage is strewn beneath a TW 707.
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quote:
Originally posted by Emmett Conrecode:
On the commute home I watched “The Time Machine” twice. On the time laps pan away from the earth I saw a red and white Constellation and then a red and white 747 over NYC. Has anybody been able to freeze the tape and see if TWA on the tails?

It would be nice to know if the red and white airliners were a solute to TWA or just using the recognition factor of our colors.

I believe we will see our favorite colors for many years to come.

Emmett


I saw Time Machine this weekend and saw the same thing. I paused my DVD player and did frame by frame. They kept the Constellation and 747 blurry but the name I could read on the 747 was Trans Continental. Not TWA.


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Ok, sorry to bring this subject back, but had to do it. I just finished watching Lost and Found with David Spade. It was released in 1999. The last scene was on a TWA 747.

gambit


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too bad TWA didn't have residual rights for their movie appearances...that would made a nice addition to their bottom line.
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As much as I hate to admit ever watching the program, the Tony Danza comedy "Who's the Boss"
had a TWA 1011 during an episode when everyone
made a trip from Conneticut to ABQ. I remember
seeing a TWA 707 on a "Beverly Hillbillies"
rerun as well. Anybody ever watch the series
"Fame" from the 80's? One episode featured
the cast dancing on a the wing of a TWA 1011.

Most famous of all was "Joe Patroni" in "Airport"
working for TWA and wearing the TWA baseball
cap with the twin globe logo.

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Old foreign films can be a great place to find TWA. Years ago when movie channels were just starting to come on cable, I was watching an Italian film. In the film were TWA Connies. Not just one but 3 all parked at the gate. They even showed one on departure. The camera was right next to the runway. The 707 showed up on a few films as well. Old colors.

We've all must have seen the tv movie, "Taking of Flight 847." Some great footage of the 727.

"The Nanny" randomly mentioned TWA. One scene they remarked about taking blankets of the plane as they stretched out on the couch with the dark blue blankets.


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"Weekend in New York" was one of the finest movies to feature TWA!

For some it may be disgusting as Jane Fonda starred in it and Our old friend Cliff Robertson starred as her brother who was a TWA 707 Captain.

Many shots around JFK. Neat movie for TWA Folk.

Cary


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Ya know another great place to see TWA? Company training videos. Anybody know what happened to them? Does AA have them somewhere? Somebody should "aquire" them, and make one big video or DVD and then sell them.

As the cold weather approaches, I pulled out a Boeing training video for cold weather operations. TWA appeared several times in double red stripes or twin globes.

I love this video because it shows a United 737 [N9001U] being driven through a snow bank. Original colors.

One interesting thing I learned from this video which I've never noticed before is that the horizontal stabilizer of this 727 actaully produces a vortex off each tip. Each rotates opposite the wing vortex.

The 727-100 shown in the video was landing on a snow covered runway. Just prior to touchdown you could see the wake turbulence moving off too each side of the wings. When the mains touched down and before reverse thrust was applied, all the snow was kicked way up. Two very distinctive vortices came into view. I had to replay this several times to make sure I was seeing what I was seeing. If the snow didn't get kicked up, I would have never seen this. I was really surprised buy this "discovery."

If you are looking at the plane from nose to tail, the wing vortices were rotating clockwise, moving away from the plane and the horizontal stabilizer vortices were rotating counter clockwise and remained behind the tail.

Add a little extra punch to wake turbulence avoidance. If the 727-100 can generate the horizontal wake, imagine what a loaded 747-400 can do.


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I'm sure we've all noticed the TWA SST model in the movie "Airport" where Mel and the airport manager are discussing airport expansion vs noise abatement.
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If i am not mistaken, that is the last L-1011 TWA flew, and i belive the only one painted in their final colors.
It was reitered to vegas sometime ago, and was there for quite some time. I belive it s long gone, but the Ocenas 11 didn't edit out the TWA logo, that was done for storage.
the storage facility is right off the strip by the old charter terminal.

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Last night I watched an A&E Biography special about the "Rat Pack". There were lots of TWA pictures, mostly Connies from the 50's, with photos of Frank Sinatra, Marilyn Monroe, Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis and others at the stairs with the beautiful planes behind them emblazoned with "Trans World Airlines".

It was a nice treat. The TWA marketing people in those days were quite adept at getting these glamour photos from just the right angle.

I've seen lots of these TWA celebrity photos with various stars, but I had not seen the ones on the program. I'd imagine the two-part program will air again if you missed it. Besides the TWA pictures the program was really good. I'd recommend it.

Marky

PS--Does anyone know how I might be able to get ahold of a tape of the in-flight Ambassador Theater from mid-2000 when TWA had a feature on the program about the 75th Anniversary? It was really spectacular and would make a great collector's item. We should all have a copy. If it's possible to get a tape, it could be transfered to DVD so everyone would have a pristine copy which would not deteriorate over time or with repeated plays. I don't remember all the details of the feature, but I do remember watching it on a flight and thinking it was really good and I'd like a copy.


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.Marky,

Sorry it took so long to answer. After a bit of searching, a copy of the Ambassador magazine, celebrating the 75th Birthday, has been located in the trunk of the old airport car. You probably already have this in your collection. It does have a number of the pictures you mention…..Ms. Monroe and the famous ballplayer on the cover, & many other celebrities you mentioned are included in this July 2000 edition.

I have not seen the video, but suspect it included the same photos. In the Connie days, we had an “outstanding” PR man in LA , by the name of Bob Mc Kay. He was in large part, the reason TWA was known as the Airline of the stars. (Well, maybe Mr. Hughes was also involved in this.)

Back to seeing “our” planes in movies, I have not noticed any, but neither do I go to movies. However, last night while “obligated” to watch one of Sally’s favorite TV shows, (Redecorating a room for under $20,000) it was a pleasure and surprise to watch one of my favorite passengers and his beautiful wife for a full 30 minutes. Their house was chosen for the remodel job. They were not Hollywood celebrities before last night, but they are now.

Somehow, this was more enjoyable than seeing a picture of an old airplane.

Let me know if you’d like this magazine, Mr.Marky.

Randy



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Though not directly on topic there is an excellent article in the December 2002, Airways : Travelling the World Around by George W. Hamlin. Some great shots of TWA aircraft. The article highlights TWA's 1969 entry into the round the world club. A nice trip back to the god old days.
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Hi Captain,

Thanks to the generosity of Gambit, I do have a copy of the magazine, but sure do appreciate your offer. It is the inflight Ambassador Theatre tape I'd love to get a copy of.

Take care,

Marky

PS--Are you gonna divulge the identity of the passengers featured on the TV program?


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Mr. Marky,

Well, now that I think of it, the gentleman has been a celebrity for many years before appearing on the “remodeling” show. It all began when we made him “The Passenger Of The Day” some time ago as he was flying to New York. (Don’t tell Jeff about this award. We have never released the figures on just how many of these things have been given out. Only very special people got ‘em.)

His name is Dr. Eckstein. He did have (or still does have) a TV show from New York.

That’s all the information I am permitted to reveal, except this: If you are having problems with your dog, watch his show. I have not seen it, but just mentioning his name to our two dogs resulted in noticeable better behavior.



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My Dear Captain -

Of course, Passenger of the Day implies just that .... thus no offense taken. Although I didn't get the robes and crown that the women used to get on "Queen for a Day," I still nonetheless felt most honored! And I don't even have a TV show to call my own. And the icing on the cake was when Rob Wyman brought my picture back to our DC party. Those days seem so distant but it was actually only a little over two years ago.

Jeff I.


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Captain Randy: I read your post about Warren Eckstein, and want to point out a few errors-Warren isn't a Doctor, although he has far more skills in offering psycho therapy to pets than those skills of a psychiatrist needed to help patients.

At least when we were in L.A. he show was a Los Angeles based show-every Saturday at about 10:00AM on KIEV radio. Warren does occasionally appear on the Sunday or Monday Today show in NYC, and when he does that he sometimes is on the local AM TV news show that preceeded the Today Show.

At one point when Theo the XXIst (or Theo The Transcontinental Canine as Jeff called him) moved to NYC with our daughter, we kept hoping we would bump Warren, as Theo the XXIst had trouble readjusting from West L.A. to NYC. He had done significant damage to her front door and entry way as he triend to claw his way out after fearing he was going to be left at home.

We have a couple of Warren's books, and they are delightful. He is a rags to riches story, growing up outside NYC, and then making a career out of arranging homes for homeless pets. The jacket of one of his books indicated he lived in Santa Monica, but we never saw or met him in our 15 years in L.A. I think he spent more time and money on orphaned animals than we have on our loved ones.

His accomplishments make him "Passenger of the Year" in my book.

I may be coming to SAN in January, and if I do and travel via LAX, can we get together for a bite over a beer?


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So where was this dog shrink when Icahn was running the show? I remember Carl's famous quote:

"If you want a friend, get a dog!"


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Jeff,
If memory serves me correctly, you received the “TWA Family Of The Year Award”. With my right hand on this computer board, there was only ONE of those given out.
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Life_Platinum,

That is the gentleman, Warren. He is as delightful in person as you found his writings. About having a bite and a beer in January…….That would be a problem. When I am with friends, one beer just doesn’t get the job done. I will look forward to our next meeting.
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Mr.Marky,

That was a very busy time for Mr. Eckstein. There was a fella in Washington looking for a “friend” during that same period, and the “Doctor” was looking for just the right dog for that position.
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Everyone Else,

If the above seems to have nothing to do with TWA airplanes in movies, you’re right.
It’s all about passengers, who WERE what TWA was all about.


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quote:
Originally posted by extwacaptain:
If you are having problems with your dog, watch his show. I have not seen it, but just mentioning his name to our two dogs resulted in noticeable better behavior.



When is this show on? I need to watch it ASAP!

Don


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Captain Randy -

TWA Family of the Year award is far more rewarding ...... especially since the other 75% of my family are much more attractive poster-pictures for TWA ........

LP -

One slight correction ...... it was actually "Theo the Transcon Canine" (rather than "Transcontinental"). You know .... I just thought the alliteration was better with the shortened version in case a song ever emerged about Theo.

Jeff I.


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Totally off-topic, and I apologize in advance, but...

Jeff,
Did you get the private message I sent to you a bit over a week ago?

Thanks, and to all again, sorry.

Jack M.


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quote:
Originally posted by MrMarky:

PS--Does anyone know how I might be able to get ahold of a tape of the in-flight Ambassador Theater from mid-2000 when TWA had a feature on the program about the 75th Anniversary? It was really spectacular and would make a great collector's item. We should all have a copy. If it's possible to get a tape, it could be transfered to DVD so everyone would have a pristine copy which would not deteriorate over time or with repeated plays. I don't remember all the details of the feature, but I do remember watching it on a flight and thinking it was really good and I'd like a copy.

Marky,

I think it was on Yahoo, when we were all trying to help "Run" TWA, but I made a post refering to this "short subject" that was shown on the planes in the summer of 2000. I loved it, and thought it showed a lot about what was great in TWA, and wondered why they never incorporated some of this into their mainstream promotion. In other words, they were preaching to the saved to only show it on the planes.

I must have mentioned it in December of 2000, when I was whining about TWAs lack of advertising. It stirred a lively discussion, and brought out all kinds of theories, from "they didn't have enough money to air it on TV", and "they wanted to divest from the Old TWA", to some after BK discussions whereas people thought the 75th was downplayed because the "higher-ups" knew what was going to happen anyway. But that was just those "conspiracy theory" nuts.

Who were some of those guys anyway

Don


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A short note,

Whenever a TWA passenger went through LAX, and was granted a trip to Captain Kramers "Executive Suite", said passenger usually left with enough TWA goodies to make one feel like "Passenger of the Day".

Don


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Marky,

The video was an excerpt from a show produced by KETC in Saint Louis called "SKY HIGH...The Story of TWA" As I recall there were two versions shown on board. The full video I think was either 30 or 60 minutes. I actually have a copy of it. It's available on VHS from KETC at the following link for $19.95:

https://www.metrotix.com/secure/ketc/productselection.asp

If for some reason they no longer have copies for sale let me know. I can probably figure out how to hook up the vcr to my laptop & send you the (VERY BIG) file. If that's the case I'll then take the opportunity to digitize the Captain Randy video from back in the mid-90's...showing him working a crowd the way only the good Captain can.

Regards,
Mike


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quote:
Originally posted by ss278:
Totally off-topic, and I apologize in advance, but...

Jeff,
Did you get the private message I sent to you a bit over a week ago?

Thanks, and to all again, sorry.

Jack M.


Jack -

No .... I didn't receive the private message. Please try sending again. Thanks.

Jeff I.


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quote:
Originally posted by donuway:

Marky,

I think it was on Yahoo, when we were all trying to help "Run" TWA, but I made a post refering to this "short subject" that was shown on the planes in the summer of 2000. I loved it, and thought it showed a lot about what was great in TWA, and wondered why they never incorporated some of this into their mainstream promotion. In other words, they were preaching to the saved to only show it on the planes.

I must have mentioned it in December of 2000, when I was whining about TWAs lack of advertising. It stirred a lively discussion, and brought out all kinds of theories, from "they didn't have enough money to air it on TV", and "they wanted to divest from the Old TWA", to some after BK discussions whereas people thought the 75th was downplayed because the "higher-ups" knew what was going to happen anyway. But that was just those "conspiracy theory" nuts.

Who were some of those guys anyway

Don


You know .... all this talk is making me nostalgic again for TWA and all this stuff that I miss. It sort of reminds me of this old place on Canal Street in Manhattan called Dave's. It was sort of a stand-up, open-air diner or corner stand ..... the type one remembers from Hopper's "Nighthawks." Anyway, Dave's served the best Egg Cream around but it was also the whole experience of going there at the end of a night (which, in my younger "kidless" days was usually around 3:00 or 4:00 AM) and getting an Egg Cream at Dave's. When Dave's closed down one knew instinctively that this was an experience that could never be replicated. Well .... same with TWA. Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying my AA flying and it is much better than I had feared. But .... the whole TWA experience I was used to (even when I wouldn't cross paths with my hero with the office in the LAX AC), is nowhere to be found. And I miss it terribly.

Jeff I.


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I saw previews to the new movie "Catch me if you can" and there was a lot of TWA in the previews.
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quote:
Originally posted by donuway:
A short note,

Whenever a TWA passenger went through LAX, and was granted a trip to Captain Kramers "Executive Suite", said passenger usually left with enough TWA goodies to make one feel like "Passenger of the Day".

Don



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Don,

The thing I remember most about the “Executive Suite” is watching the expression on the faces of our male passengers, as they HAPPENED to notice Pamela going in the other direction across the room. It was a nice way to start a flight.

Whoever “decorated” that “office” really knew what they were doing, as well as having great hindsight.

Randolph


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Gambit is right - I just watched the preview trailer - for those of us who loved not only TWA but Pan Am too (before Captain Jack kicks me off the board - OF COURSE TWA was my favorite... ), this movie promises to at least partially make up for hollywood's (systematic...!?) TWA/PAA neglect of the last couple decades. I'm looking forward to it. You can find the link to the preview at:
http://www.dreamworks.com/catchthem/

Enjoy

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quote:
Originally posted by nyc6035:
Marky,

The video was an excerpt from a show produced by KETC in Saint Louis called "SKY HIGH...The Story of TWA" As I recall there were two versions shown on board. The full video I think was either 30 or 60 minutes. I actually have a copy of it. It's available on VHS from KETC at the following link for $19.95:

https://www.metrotix.com/secure/ketc/productselection.asp

If for some reason they no longer have copies for sale let me know. I can probably figure out how to hook up the vcr to my laptop & send you the (VERY BIG) file. If that's the case I'll then take the opportunity to digitize the Captain Randy video from back in the mid-90's...showing him working a crowd the way only the good Captain can.

Regards,
Mike


Thanks Mike!

I do have a copy of Sky High, which was sent to me by the then VP of Customer Relations. I forget her name, but shortly thereafter she was demoted to station manager at OKC or something like that. Hope it wasn't for sending me the video.

I really apprreciate your offer. If your laptop has a video capture card with a composite video input you should be able to get stuff off your VCR. What program would you save it to?

I would like to see the video of the Captain. Maybe you could make that into a file that can be viewed with a "Real Audio" player or Windows Media Player. Perhaps it is a format that can be posted on Gambit's site and then a link here would take people to it. If not, maybe Jack could post it here. Sorry, didn't mean to put you to work!

Take care,

mAArky


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Mr.Marky,

There is a very good reason that you did not receive a copy of that tape of me. It’s boring and uninteresting and far too short.

If you will promise to give it to someone you do not like (after viewing it) there will be a copy in today’s priority mail along with a copy of a later evening news story by KTLA (a little over a year ago).

This offer will expire if you do not send a mailing address prior to the last mail pick-up today.

Randolph


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i have my two video copies...one from the o&o ABC in LA, and the other from the independent KTLA. both performances of Captain Randy, imo, are a Emmy award winning production. someone should contact the LA area N.A.T.A.S. and see why those stories came up short for a local Emmy. i'm just sorry i didn't get a chance to shoot any of those stories with Randy....imagine the blooper reel we would have. i should be up and running with my own production gear next year, and would really like to do some type of documentary with the fine Captain (FOR REAL).
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mioguido -

I think that is a great idea. Go for it!

Jeff I.


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quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Isenberg:

the whole TWA experience I was used to (even when I wouldn't cross paths with my hero with the office in the LAX AC), is nowhere to be found. And I miss it terribly.

Jeff I.


Dinner at the 94th Aero Squadron in STL used to be one of the best TWA viewing places anywhere, getting even better after dark. Who makes the decisions to light the tails on the planes? My last dinner there after dark, was more like watching dark tubes with a few little lights taking off. It's not worth the sporadic service to dine there anymore

Don


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quote:
Originally posted by donuway:

Dinner at the 94th Aero Squadron in STL used to be one of the best TWA viewing places anywhere, getting even better after dark.


nowadays, it seems that the In & Out at LAX is the place to be for planes and food.


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quote:
Originally posted by mioguido:

nowadays, it seems that the In & Out at LAX is the place to be for planes and food.



Dan,

That place really isn’t the same, either. The last time I was there with a friend, you couldn’t hardly see the airplanes flying by. Every time we would attempt to watch an approach, a couple of fairly attractive, young ladies, wearing smaller size garments than their measurements warranted, would obstruct our view with a “Look at this” kinda look as they strolled by.

This was not too objectionable at first, but we actually were there to watch the airplanes and it was becoming obvious that they thought we were a couple of “pigeons” who might pay for their French fries. What they were not aware of was, pilots always go “Dutch” when dinning.

Out of gentlemanly courtesy, we did allow them to slightly distract us for a short while and when they departed, returned to plane watching.

So, you see, it is not the same. Maybe it is BETTER.

Somehow, I think you knew that. (You were there)

Randy


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quote:
Originally posted by donuway:

Dinner at the 94th Aero Squadron in STL used to be one of the best TWA viewing places anywhere, getting even better after dark. Who makes the decisions to light the tails on the planes? My last dinner there after dark, was more like watching dark tubes with a few little lights taking off. It's not worth the sporadic service to dine there anymore

Don


Don -

Yeah .... even in their declining fiscal state, TWA still retained remnants of things that reminded one of the glamour and excitement of flying. The lighted tail lights (a TWA innovation) was one of them. I regret I never had a chance to dine and drink (oops .... sorry dfwguy .... it's just Don and my immaturity) with you at the 94th Squadron.

Jeff I.


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quote:
Originally posted by extwacaptain:


Every time we would attempt to watch an approach, a couple of fairly attractive, young ladies, wearing smaller size garments than their measurements warranted, would obstruct our view with a “Look at this” kinda look as they strolled by.


maybe those ladies were sent out by some airline as "test feelers" for a new f/a flight uniform?


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I had posted this over the summer, but Terminal 5 will have a big "part" in the upcoming Leo DiCaprio/Tom Hanks movie "Catch me if you can".

Where are these guys standing?

Look familiar?


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quote:
Originally posted by JFK Fleet Service:
I had posted this over the summer, but Terminal 5 will have a big "part" in the upcoming Leo DiCaprio/Tom Hanks movie "Catch me if you can".

Where are these guys standing?

Look familiar?



JFK Fleet Service -

Having walked those tubes countless times, I'm now really getting nostalgic.

Jeff I.


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JFK Fleet Service,

That picture raises many questions. I think I know where they're standing, but everything else seems wrong. What happened to the Aviation technical Director? That guy in uniform does not fit the present (or the past) image of an airline pilot. The ID badge would indicate our recent years. And if this is the time period of the movie, much else is wrong even for a still shot.

Modern day pilots no longer carry their luggage. They pull those stupid, sissy looking wheely things. Can you imagine John Wayne pulling one of those things, wearing a “Macho” uniform? No way.

Where’s the coffee? The right hand, which appears to be in his pocket,(very improper for the pilot image) almost ALWAYS has a cup of designer coffee in it.

The most obvious thing MISSING in the picture has to be the cell phone. That guy ain’t a real pilot.


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quote:
Originally posted by extwacaptain:
Mr.Marky,

There is a very good reason that you did not receive a copy of that tape of me. It’s boring and uninteresting and far too short.

If you will promise to give it to someone you do not like (after viewing it) there will be a copy in today’s priority mail along with a copy of a later evening news story by KTLA (a little over a year ago).

This offer will expire if you do not send a mailing address prior to the last mail pick-up today.

Randolph


Thanks Captain,

I just emailed the info to TWA Gal's email address. I thought you already had my address and everything?

If you don't, who is it that has been sending those black helicopters hovering over my house at all hours of the day and night???

Marky


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Originally posted by JFK Fleet Service:

"Where are these guys standing?"

This is at the top of Terminal 5's "Flight Wing One Tunnel", opposite the elevators to FIS.

I can see that no repairs have been undertaken to restore the plaster surfaces - the two curved sidewall bases are still uneven/cracked - these took a beating from pax bags / carts. However, you would think the film company prop dept would have temporarily corrected / masked over?


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They did a lot of work prior to starting the filming,but the majority of it was in the main lobby.

You'll have to see the movie to see all the work.

They even painted over the crosswalks on the roadway in front of the terminal.

The electrical system baffled them so much they had to call in George Cintron to give them a hand.

It was very strange to wander through that terminal and only see carpenters and electricians.


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quote:
Originally posted by JFK Fleet Service:
They did a lot of work prior to starting the filming,but the majority of it was in the main lobby.

You'll have to see the movie to see all the work.

They even painted over the crosswalks on the roadway in front of the terminal.

The electrical system baffled them so much they had to call in George Cintron to give them a hand.

It was very strange to wander through that terminal and only see carpenters and electricians.


Wasn't all of that work supposed to have been done as part of Vision 2000????

Speaking of .... I happened to catch Lou Gerstner talking about his new book on one of the talk shows. The interviewer asked him about his now famous comment when he first assumed the CEO role at IBM that: "the last thing IBM needed at that time was a 'Vision'." He went on to further explain that comment but saying that what he saw when taking over IBM was a company with tremendous experience and historical strength but one that was paralyzed by little fiefdoms and an inability to tap into the strengths and then take them successfully to the marketplace.

It made me wonder a bit about how TWA could have benefited enormously by a strong CEO who, rather than coming up with a new business plan every year or two (Vision 2000 of course comes to mind with all of that silly stuff about being the Nordsrtoms of the skies), could have really taken all the best from TWA's history that still existed in the 1990's (especially personnel, route authories, etc.) and parlayed it along with some effective marketing into a dynamic turnaround.

Yeah .... I still think about it or, as Paul Simon's lyric in American Tune aptly says ...."I can't help it I wonder ..... what went wrong ...."

Jeff I.


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I just came from seeing a foreign film. The film is "Breathless" filmed in 1959 in Paris. One scene was in a hotel at the "airline desk." Of course I started looking for TWA. I saw what must have been a 1/75th scale PanAm 707 on display. Eventually the camera panned around the room and came upon a airline poster. The first one looked like BEA. Slowly the camera moved to the left and there was a TWA poster for New York. It was the only time that TWA was shown.

There was also a Connie on display. I couldn't tell who it was partly due to the film was in black and white. But, it kinda looked like Eastern. If I could have seen the tail, I might have been able to tell. No luck. Eventually they did a scene at the airport and a foreign DC-6/7 taxied onto the hardstand and shut down. To far away to tell who it was.

Those old foreign films are a great place to spot any airline including TWA.


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The History Channel (aka the Hitler Channel) had a program on last night about private jets. In one scene there was a shot of a taxiing TWA 747 in the new paint job.
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You have to admit the aircraft (747) looked great with the new paint job.
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If I had to suffer the choice of having to look at either a curvaseous TWA 747 [any colors] vs a curvaseous brunette with almond brown eyes ["no colors"]the 747 would automatically win.

Its the undercarriage that gets me everytime!


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