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Bob Bayless
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On compuserve - AA to layoff 20,000 across all of AA, Eagle, and TWA.
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MaxEPR
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Yesterday, in STL , the Chief Pilot and other management were answering questions in ops. Their opinion was that there would be minimal Pilot layoffs , due to many factors , but mainly the fact that APA has 35% of their Pilots in the reserves.
It was stated that the other airlines were following the same path regarding Pilot layoffs.
For what its worth.

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KarenLF
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Yea, whatever......
for what its worth!
This is a terrible thing for 20,000 employees who work for AA and other airlines who need to do the same thing!

Karen


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G4G5
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35% sounds extremely high. While I have no factual data, I do have a friend of mine at UAL who told me that their reserve/guard pilots make up approx 10%, at a little over 1000. I find it hard to believe that AA has 4200 reservists. Over 4x the number that UAL has, again that's IMO, let's hope I am wrong.

Does anyone have the exact figures?
Does anyone know how many of the 50,000 GB plans to activate are pilots?


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No, that sounds about right for an airline that is 85% military. I'd had been in the reserves, but my airplane is in the boneyard.
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Striker
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quote:
Originally posted by MaxEPR:
Yesterday, in STL , the Chief Pilot and other management were answering questions in ops. Their opinion was that there would be minimal Pilot layoffs , due to many factors , but mainly the fact that APA has 35% of their Pilots in the reserves.
It was stated that the other airlines were following the same path regarding Pilot layoffs.
For what its worth.

Can you tell us what some of the other factors were? Worried minds would like to know.


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Keith Bounds
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Capt Kudwa stated in his 9/19 KUDWA HOTLINE MESSAGE:

As the nation prepares for war, we have about 200 pilots out on military leave. We have more than 1000 other reservists who could be called up during a full war. The government is expecting a long drawn out war and we are expecting a long recovery process.


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Tom Mabrey
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quote:
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Additionally, American Airlines is concerned about the crew members who may be called for reserve duty in the armed forces and the upshot to its operations. Calling up pilots for action could leave the carrier without enough to steer the planes.
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from
AMR sends an S.O.S. to Congress
Without help, liabilities 'may exceed' assets, carrier says
By Jennifer Waters, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last Update: 3:33 PM ET Sept. 19, 2001


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MaxEPR
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I thought the 35% figure was high also, so I asked the Pilot next to me what he heard. That's what he heard.
To be honest I missed the " other factors ", as I was hurrying to a flight.

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Right now, it's 386 from AA and 120 from TWA. It is effective Oct 1. The company is claiming the National Emergency gives it an escape from the contract furlough provisions.

Mark


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I thought the furlough protection was only for the individuals hired prior to April 10th??
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Yes, but there are escape clauses that would void that. AMR has claimed one of them.

Mark


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In THIS round of furloughs the AA guys may have come out ahead..

-The percentage of TW furloughs is amost twice as many.

-(I think) All of the AA furloughs were hired AFTER the "proposed" March 12, 2001 APA seniority integration date.

The TW guys go back to July 2000 seniority dates.

I'm NOT judging this as right OR wrong just offering some analysis.

Bob H


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I think your comparison is superfluous. Obviously, AMR is not paring by DOH. You have two separate airlines. They made a cut. Further cuts may be necessary unless we get more people back in the air flying.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bob H:
In THIS round of furloughs the AA guys may have come out ahead..

-The percentage of TW furloughs is amost twice as many.

-(I think) All of the AA furloughs were hired AFTER the "proposed" March 12, 2001 APA seniority integration date.

The TW guys go back to July 2000 seniority dates.

I'm NOT judging this as right OR wrong just offering some analysis.

Bob H


No Judging either but from what I can see the 386 AA pilots also equates to the number of 727 f/e jobs. The 120 TWA jobs equaates to the DC9 jobs. AA has invoked the "National Emergency", which means anything goes. The 506 are F effective 10/1.

IMHO I would expect to see a grounding of the 727 and DC9 fleets effective 10/1. From what I understand, the next round of cuts is coming. The MD11 are rumored to be grounded immediatly too.


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twa2amr
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Looking fair and saving money are probably the two driving factors of the furloughs. Contractual issues following in a distant third.
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fly892
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AA had a very sound business plan....
With the changes they are making...
They will have a great business plan that
will speed their recovery......
I for one will be layed off next week...
I expect to be back in 3 or 4 months and am looking forward to a great future with a company that likes me, but doesn't love me..
TWA layed me off 3 times...One with AA isn't
all that bad...Let's give them a chance..

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twa2amr
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fly892

I hope to see you back in three or four months!


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